And my friend who got me into B5 told me that if Ivanova’s actress had stayed then she would’ve ended up in that romance with Byron (which was ick no I’m really glad the actress left - between that and the Marcus short story and what my friend told me about the Mariel arc in the Centauri book* I’m rather iffy on JMS and romance outside of Delenn/Sheridan) but anyway, that just reinforces the idea of characters as pieces-parts - the Byron romance isn’t driven by Lyta’s character or Ivanova’s character, it’s the writer going ‘oh one of the ladies is going to have a tragic ill-fated romance with the telepath let’s plug one in’ regardless of chemistry, actual character motivation, etc.
*apparently Londo’s second wife gets a spell put on her by a technomage that forces her to fall madly in love with Vir to the point where she will do literally anything for him and it’s irreversible and idk I haven’t read it yet because I have to finish the series but that sounds rather ugh
In terms of sci-fi, DS9, BSG, Firefly, Farscape, Fringe, and TNG all beat B5 for me (although TNG would come with the caveat of looking at five seasons of TNG - probably 3-7 vs. 1-5 for B5, because admittedly S1 of TNG and a good chunk of S2 is pretty awful.) And overall if you wanted me to rank TV shows, things like Rome are going to start creeping in over it as well (tbh, my top 5 TV shows in no particular order are Rome, DS9, Firefly, BSG, and…hmmm I know there’s one I’m leaving out here but yeah, B5 isn’t going to be in top 5. Might make top 10, but I’m just not as invested in the characters, and for me that’s key. I love my myths and my arcs, but character has to come first - I’d rather have BSG where they wrote themselves into corners and did stupid shit and had embarrassingly bad thing because the writers didn’t stop to think/didn’t plan ahead (Tigh/Caprica and the whole miscarriage baby thing, noooo stop bad writers) than something that’s so exquisitely constructed but leaves me feeling like the plot is always, always, always first and that things are going to develop regardless of how the actors actually fit into and inhabit those roles.
wow i did not know that about ivanova and byron (nor am i familiar with the novels like at all) but so much ugh. and i really hate byron. so much.
my top 10 shows are (in order) ds9, bsg, b5, farscape,stargates sg1 and atlantis, doctor who, dead like me, the x files, and xena. although spartacus is standing right outside that door, banging it down and demanding to be let in so maybe i can smoosh the stargates into one and include spartacus? i can do that right?
but yeah. ANYWAY. i 100% feel you and what you’ve said about the characters being fundamentally interchangeable really helps me articulate why i find the b5 characters over all less compelling other than i just do. i look forward to turning you loose the next time a b5 v ds9 debate flares up. :-P
augh I really needed to go to bed about half an hour ago but I should probably try to rank my top 10 shows sometime. also I have not seen stargate (any of them), dead like me, DW, x-files, xena, or Spartacus, and am considering watching one of the Stargates and/or Spartacus once done with B5 (probably one of the Stargates, since I can borrow that from my B5 buddy.) Which stargate would you recommend?
also I tried to avoid comparing DS9 to B5 because I know there’s so much controversy but once I get done with B5 I might try comparing them
(also yeah friend told me about the Ivanova-Byron thing because he knew I was sad she’d left and thought it would make me less sad. he was right. also let me know about the Centauri thing by way of “I think you’ll like this novel except…” so I still need to read that. And I’m asking for some of the B5 books for christmas so hopefully Illl get them and be able to read them and let you know how they are.)
anyway realllly need to go to bed now so good night!